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So the bronies are in an uproar (Warning: vitriol)

Journal Entry: Wed Aug 22, 2012, 12:07 PM
Full disclaimer: I like MLP:FiM. I have fancharacters. I have six MLP shirts (a 20% Cooler, an Equestria Girls, Dumb Fabric!, a Fluttershy "Yay", a Nightmare Moon, and a Doctor Whooves) and collect the toys -- brushable dolls? Blindbag ponies? 5" plushies? I got 'em. I love the show.

So there's been con drama going amongst the MLP:FiM fan community recently, and a lot of people are in an uproar about "NOT ALL BRONIES ARE LIKE THAT".

They're offended that they're not getting recognition for "not all being like that".

Know what I think?

You deserve to be offended.



If you are pitching fits about this... realize that whether the events of the con were "factual" or not? This happens in your fandom. People are being harassed, threatened, and physically assaulted. Racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia run rampant in the fandom. (Pro fucking tip: rape jokes are never, ever, ever funny.)
And yet, the only thing you whine about is NOT ALL BRONIES ARE LIKE THAT!!!!.

So basically, fuck you. You are saying that no, it doesn't matter that people are being assaulted, what you really need to recognize is that we're not all like that so don't pay attention to them.
The safety of all people in this fandom is more important than the internet being a hugbox for every cis white straight male.

You don't get a cookie because you didn't strangle someone at a con. You should be calling these fucks out, not whining about how you're not all like that. Because if that's what matters most to you?

You're one of them, and you are like that.

(Sorry, I just needed to vent this.)

  • Mood: Sarcastic
  • Listening to: Bentley Jones - 'STUTTA'
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CallMeDoc Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2012
You know, the rape jokes don't disgust me as much as the actual serious, sadistic content that gets made.
That these individuals get defended so much makes it look like there isn't much common sense left in the fandom anymore.
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Meowlaise Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
I have been in a lot of fandoms in my life, but MLP is probably the oldest one. It's been there to various degrees through most of my life. And I must admit I loved the first wave of bronies. They were clever, creative, friendly people. The kind of people you want in a fandom.

But recently, things have gotten so very bad that I don't even consider myself a fan any more. Being an MLP fan means having to deal with the worst scum of the internet on a daily basis. Racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, nazism, etc, and that's really just the tip of the iceberg. It's a never-ending list. I've never been part of a fandom where I've been subjected to one or more triggering slurs -every day-. (Actually, I've never been part of a fandom where that has happened at all...) No show, no matter how great, is worth that much grief.
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CallMeDoc Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2012
>They were clever, creative, friendly people. The kind of people you want in a fandom.
Or so it seemed. Unfortunately, a good portion of the first wave turned out being part of the problem, they just held back for a few months. :(
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Meowlaise Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012
As much as I want to disagree with you, as much as I want to believe that you're wrong...

... Yeah. You're probably right. (-_-) *Sigh* At the very least they should have taken a stance against what the fandom has become instead of choosing to ignore it. Or worse; deny that there's a problem to begin with. Or still worse, outright defend sites which are infamous for hate speech. (Equestria Daily's reaction to Ponibooru shutting down is a great example.)
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CallMeDoc Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2012
They didn't choose to ignore. They actively screwed up. :(

Some of the drawfags and writefags from the first /co/ wave turned out pushing things downhill first.
That was the worse, I saw some of the most promising people I liked to talk to screwing up big time.
Just the other day, I found out an individual or two from the beginning, who I had given benefit of doubt (I wanted to, even if I never really trusted), went out the their way to get some trolling going, and had some seriously messed up stuff on their portfolio. Those were more of the types who requested (leeched) stuff.

As for ponibooru, even though I personally hated how it went downhill, I can see how some people defended it, since it was convenient for them and stuff. Sethisto probably checked there for some of his content, since the fandom got bigger than the /co/ MLP generals where he first got the material (also the generals were no place to get good stuff anymore. Browsing them was pretty much a chore, in my opinion.). And the owner of ponibooru was on the first wave too, I think.

It all looked so promising, it's hard to believe it all went downhill like it went. :(
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Meowlaise Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2012
Interesting. I'm afraid I don't know that much about it, though. Can you give some examples of what has been done?
I don't doubt you for a second, by the way... And I know I'm going to regret asking.
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CallMeDoc Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2012
Ah... I thought you were more familiar with the first wave. Considering you mentioned being in the fandom meant dealing with the worst scum, etc, I believe you're already kinda familiar with what's out there. Basically, at some point, looks like they decided instead of doing stuff in good fun, the point where you'd say "dude, not cool, time to stop" should be the starting point, eventually. Why, I have no damn clue.

There was one individual I used to hang out with some time ago, who along with me which used to bitch a lot about the screwed up fandom, for instance. We stopped hanging out by the end of 2011, which was a good thing. Well, last week I found out the crap we used to bitch about... pedophilia, rape, pics made for trolling fans of a character, etc? He actually went around doing/requesting/commissioning all that kind of crap. Combined, even. All the fandom cancer, rolled into one inconvenient disgusting package. He always sounded live a manipulative backstabber anyway, but for a while like I had said, I gave the benefit of the doubt.

Now, as for others... I've seen some that seemed weirded out by the porn, who turned out were lying all along, and really, became responsible for some of the most overdone porn jokes. Some who seemed nice and to care about the fans, but ended up dragging others down after they put their own name on the gutter. Some who started drawing nice stuff, went to porn (not that porn by itself is bad, in MY OPINION), then to increasingly screwed up porn (all the way swearing it was art, then when called out for more screwed up stuff, decided to wave them off as "silly doodles").

You see, you're asking me to sum up almost 2 years of that crap. I'm even avoiding details so you don't regret that much asking. I know we're complaining about some different stuff, but still... this fandom, seriously.
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HazamaItsuru Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
You're operating on the assumption that because one says "we're not all like that" they obviously don't care. I do care, and if I ever met any of these people I'd give them a piece of my mind. But you know what? The majority of these stories are passed through the internet without more than a couple of people knowing who the perpetrator is. How does one admonish the anonymous?

There's also the issue of false reports. Most recently, the Everfree Northwest convention was host to this. People were quick to jump on the bandwagon and point fingers without digging for the truth. At least one of the most serious allegations was debunked as false, by the story's author no less.

In short, it bothers me that people treat "we're not all like that" as a dismissal. What some people do is terrible, yes, but no, we're not all like that. What you can do is stop giving these people attention on the internet. Without the attention, the majority of these problem fans are nothing. It's the people who actually try to hurt others that need to be brought into the spotlight and fought against.
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flygonmaster66 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
THANK
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HedgehodgeMonster Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't even fucking know

I keep hearing different shit about these con stories and all I want to say is

TERRIBLE PEOPLE ARE TERRIBLE PEOPLE.

As in the fact that they're in X fandom(S) has no real reason to be anything but fucking irrelevant. I mean... why?


You can't stop them from considering themselves a fan of the show, can you? People can't really control other people being terrible except by making sure they face the consequences afterwards- and that's not really worth doing unless you KNOW they did the terrible thing

Which can be reasonably difficult since nobody is going to admit they made a sexist or transphobic or racist joke or a rape joke and if they're the sort to do that kind of thing it's gonna be hard to convince them they did anything wrong to begin with...


sorry, I'm just very confused, can you help?
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